Should We Eat Meat?

Thanksgiving arrives every year with a heated debate over how to best cook that plump and juicy turkey. But the idea of a tofu turkey (also known as a “tofurkey”) has gone from a joke a couple years ago to a reality for many. While vegetarianism has been practiced for over a thousand years in some countries, it is a relatively new concept in the West. And so, with the question cropping up more and more often, should we eat meat?


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Can you justify to yourself supporting an industry that brutally slaughters billions of thinking and feeling living beings every year? Everything else is beside the point.


WE ARE DESIGNED TO EAT MEAT AND VEGETABLES.


precisely,,,, we have canine teeth !


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Love the article by the peron who has a very long email about why its best NOT to eat animals. Thank-you for seeing the bigger picture all the way around. Finally.. good truth on this subject.


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First off, I respect your opinion and all opinions to not eat meat. Nonetheless, for you to say that humans shouldn't eat meat: is idiocy. How about we start a global campaign to stop eating meat. Most developing countries don't have enough sustainability within their agricultural sector to even fathom such an idea.Go tell a tiger or lion to eat grass. Matter of fact, tell sharks to stop eating fish. We are inevitably a component and thus a contributor to our ecosystem and the way things evolve and change. If we evolve into herbivores, peace. No worries. However, trying to spark up a debate of 'being wrong' for eating meat is absurd and only portrays your ignorance and distaste for other peoples' habits.


I'm just curious and not at a point to take a side for or against (if that is the proper terminology) vegetarianism , but I am curious as to what we should do with all of the farm animals that we decide not to eat. I've raised rabbits, goats, pigs, chickens, etc. in the past (in the spirit of bioregionalism) and let me tell you these guys can reproduce whether you want them to or not (they will knock down fences, battle dogs , dig through loose concrete, chew through wire , etc.) And they eat a lot. Should we let them loose in the "wild"? Should we sterilize them? It is my understanding that cows are not native to the states, sooooo what do we do with all of the thousands upon thousands of cows? Don't get me wrong , I'm 100% against "factory farming" and think that it needs to end on this day if at all possible, but what should we do with all of the live animals? How will we feed them and keep them from breeding? Please know that I am not trying to be argumentative in any way; I've been reading through this site and this thought occurred to me (granted, maybe I did not read far enough back in the stream of posts--please forgive me if this has already been covered). So, I'm wondering..what is the big plan for the 'rescued' animals?


I do not believe in hurting or killing animals unless they are being killed for food . That is what they are here for, that is why we raise livestock. Meat has nutritional value that you cannot get from tofurkey or soy burgers. They are good for you, but meat is packed with protein and vitamins that your body needs to be healthy. Most vegetarians and vegans have low immune systems and get sick very often. There is no legitimate reason why eating meat is wrong . If you dont eat the steak, the cow will still be dead.


see my long message at, (its to long to keep doing) should animals have the same rights as people.


I will concede that a vegetarian is making an attempt at living a more humane life than mine, but I don't think that provides enough moral urgency to stop eating meat . Many people do good things that I find morally enviable, but too inconvenient to attempt myself. I don't volunteer in a soup kitchen and I didn't move to a third world country to practice pro-bono microfinance either. Since becoming a vegetarian would require switching to a more expensive diet and I could conceivably just use that money for a superior moral cause- donating to childhood cancer charities for example - I think the argument eventually devolves into trade-offs and "buying" indulgences.


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I think one of the points here is YOU would NOT have to donate or anyone for that matter to ANY cancer charities IF we could stop eating one of the things that causes cancer to being with.


That is what's so sad. We create the very illnesses we have and look the other way if we have to change our diet or whatever.. to be healthier and respectful to another species that we often call our "friends" --animals who often save OUR lives from time to time because of their gifts that come along with being animals.


First I will like to mention that we can not head into a debate about whether eating meat is wrong or right without mentioning the bible or religion , and with that being said I will present my argument. In reference to the old testaments.in GENISIS 1:26 it says "Then God said..and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground." and mentions a whole lot of stuff referring to animals and humans having the divine right to dominate over them or what ever..


Because of this I find it impossible to be a Vegan/Vegetarian and Christian/Jew/Catholic without being a HYPOCRITE.If you eat meat then..morally you are just following your religion..nothing wrong with that..as a matter a fact its wrong not to follow your religion if you believe in it.


Since I dont believe in religion I will have to present my alternate solution or answer to why we should eat me.
My theory is that.Millions of years ago when we were still ape men or before fully evolving into MAN.we were herbivores.but think about how the world would be if everyone would be a vegetarian .it takes a lot of veggies to fill a single person up.imagine the whole world eating veggies all day.plus the other herbivores that existed.I believe that we exploited our resources long ago and as in order to survive had to enter the omnivore cycle..This works because we would not be able to stop eating meat today because of exploiting resources once again.not to mention the increase in population.


For fifteen years now I have been eating far less meat than I used to,
and caring for animals , and I have not been sick. If I had to kill an
animal to eat it's flesh, I could not do it. Animals are precious to
me because they have taught me a lot, that ended up in my being
content and happy, except when humans' problems come into my life.
For health reasons, it is better to eat far less meat. I do eat fish
and egg once in a while.


Recent studies show that red meat could pose an increase in cancer risk. Some studies have linked consumption of large amounts of red meat with breast cancer , colerectal cancer, stomach cancer, lymphoma, bladder cancer, and prostate cancer. Furthermore, there is convincing evidence that consumption of beef, pork, lamb, and goat from domesticated animals is a cause of colorectal cancer. Professor Sheila Bingham of the Dunn Human Nutrition Unit attributes this to the haemoglobin and myoglobin molecules which are found in red meat. She suggests these molecules, when ingested trigger a process called nitrosation in the gut which leads to the formation of carcinogens. Eating cooked red meat may increase the likelihood of cancer because carcinogenic compounds called heterocyclic amines are created during the cooking process. Heterocyclic amines may not explain why red meat is more harmful than other meat, however, as these compounds are also found in poultry and fish, which have not been linked to an increased cancer risk.


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on everyone else.. I will eat my thanksgiving turkey with a clear concious. as i have every year of my life and so has my whole family. I grew up on meat and fed it to my children who are disgustingly healthy men now. I will eat steak or a hamburger or ham or sausage anytime i want with no apologies to anyone. if you go to sleep worrying about that silly turkey who is so stupid it will drown itself in the rain as turkeys are known to do if you want to worry about that that is your problem but i will sleep with the satisfaction of a full warm tummy and you can sit and look at your carrot sticks while your tummy growels if you want but no one can tell me I cant eat meat. We have a farm and i am proud to be from a long line of farmers who have helped feed this country for generations with grain, milk and meat. so get over your selves you bleeding hearts who are only on the band wagon because it is politically correct. i dont care what any of you think.


Well here is some evidence that eating meat isn't bad!


No Evidence Of 'Unhealthful' Relation Between Animal Foods And Breast Cancer, New Studies Find
ScienceDaily (Aug. 17, 2009) — Breast cancer is the 7th leading cause of mortality in the United States and results in approximately 41,000 deaths each year. Although genetic factors are important, there is considerable evidence that breast cancer risk is related to modifiable lifestyle factors, such as physical activity, body weight , alcohol intake, and dietary choices. The September 2009 issue of The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition reports the results of 3 human studies designed to better delineate the relation between animal foods and breast cancer risk.
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"These studies highlight two very important points," said American Society for Nutrition Spokesperson Shelley McGuire, PhD. "First we all need to remember that there are really no such things as 'bad' foods. Second, observational studies that show associations between diet and health need to be considered with a proverbial grain of salt. These studies clearly provide additional and strong evidence that consumption of meat and dairy products by women does not, by itself, increase breast cancer risk. Further, moderate and mindful consumption of these foods can be very important in attaining optimal nutrition for most women who often do not consume sufficient iron and calcium."
In the first study, which was a controlled dietary intervention trial conducted in the United States, 35 obese postmenopausal women with type 2 diabetes received conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) supplements or a control supplement (safflower oil ) each for 36 wk; adiposity was assessed. In another study, researchers examined the association between CLA intake from natural sources and breast cancer incidence in a large cohort of initially cancer-free Swedish women for 17.4 y. The third study assessed whether the consumption of meat, eggs, and dairy products was associated with breast cancer risk in a very large group of healthy European women followed for 8.8 y.
These studies provide no evidence that animal- food consumption increases (or decreases) risk of breast cancer, although CLA supplementation may decrease adiposity (a major risk factor for this disease). In an editorial, Linos and Willett remind us that these studies did not assess the relation between animal-food intake during early life and later breast cancer, a likely important piece of the puzzle. Nonetheless, they conclude, "These data are sufficient to exclude any major effect of consuming these foods during midlife or later on risk of breast cancer." Perhaps we finally have the answer to this long-standing question.
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Journal references:
1. Susanna C Larsson, Leif Bergkvist, and Alicja Wolk. Conjugated linoleic acid intake and breast cancer risk in a prospective cohort of Swedish Women. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2009; DOI: 10.3945/ajcn.2009.27480
2. Leigh E Norris, Angela L Collene, Michelle L Asp, Jason C Hsu, Li-Fen Liu, Julia R Richardson, Dongmei Li, Doris Bell, Kwame Osei, Rebecca D Jackson, and Martha A Belury. Comparison of dietary conjugated linoleic acid with safflower oil on body composition in obese postmenopausal women with type 2 diabetes mellitus. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2009; DOI: 10.3945/ajcn.2008.27371
3. Pala et al. Meat, eggs, dairy products, and risk of breast cancer in the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition (EPIC) cohort. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2009; DOI: 10.3945/ajcn.2008.27173
4. Eleni Linos and Walter Willett. Meat, dairy and breast cancer: do we have an answer? American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 2009; DOI: 10.3945/ajcn.2009.28340
Adapted from materials provided by American Society for Nutrition, via EurekAlert!, a service of AAAS.


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This is really about distinguishing between necessity and freedom. We can only be ethically responsible for those actions which we perform freely ie out of free-will. If we can show that eating meat is trully not necessary for us to survive, then we have effectively proven that it is also not ethical for us to eat meat , since it creates suffering for animals . If however, we prove that eating meat is absolutely necessary for us to survive then we can argue that we do not have a choice and we must hurt animals to survive.


I think we all know we do not have to eat meat to survive. If you are still not sure please check out the definiton of what an obligate carnivore is. These are the only animals that actually must eat meat to survive ie dogs and cats. They possess a different kind of digestive system to omnivores in that they actually cannot digest any foods other than meat. If you think that applies to you and you are human you might need to see your doctor to see if you have evolved into a whole new species. One of the reasons we have colour vision and more taste buds is perecisely so that we can distinguish between different kinds of fruit and veg. This is also why my cat has such a hard time figuring out by sight alone which leaf is a grass leaf and which is some other plant when she tries to eat grass. She has no colour vision because she is a carnivore. Incidentally, if humans were carnivores they would not need the extra taste buds to distinguish so many different kinds of flavours of spices and plants- meat really has very few kinds of taste. And if humans really were carnivores they would have better night visiona and a much better sense of smell. They would be facinated by movement and would surely run much faster. I suggest you consider what evolutionary adaptaions you actually have that would allow you to compete with other carnivores for prey? I think humans would make patheticly bad carnivores and not one of them would be a match for my cat.


To extend this argument further, just because the tiger must eat you to live, does not logically imply that it is ethically acceptable for you to eat other animals. The point is that the tiger has no choice and youd do, not only because you are omnivorous and not carnivorous, but also because you have more fee-will and that makes humans more accountable for their actions than animals, who have less free will.


I am still on the fence as to whether or not I should continue eating meat . I enjoy the taste, and though I recognize the health benefits of vegetarian , I haven't seen anything telling me that eating LESS meat as opposed to going "cold turkey" (pun intended) would be any less healthy.


Where I am still not sure, is the debate over animal rights to life. I understand that they go through alot of torture in some conditions , but if we eliminated animal product consumption, wouldn't that mean we eliminate the animals as well? Afterall, cows don't exactly make cuddly pets . What happens when we aren't eating them anymore? All I can think of in this practical world is they would end up being slaughtered or left to starve anyway. How is that more humane?


Don't get me wrong, I agree entirely with more humane methods of preparing and ultimately killing the animal foods we eat. But to suggest we don't eat them at all, is the same as saying let's just wipe them out and be done with it - genocide.


Indulge me in a moment of logical thinking and please, someone who is anti-meat show me how I'm wrong in this. Currently, most cows live on farms owned by farmers. These farmers pay for their cow's food and water . If not directly, indirectly (i.e. paying taxes for the land that cows graze on). Let's say tomorrow all animal products are made illegal or spontaneously everyone stopped eating cow meat. Cows require alot of food and water to sustain. Who is going to take care of them when the farmer can't make a living off them anymore? They can't exactly release them in the wild, they don't make good pets, most aren't even allowed within city limits, and as already noted, they produce a great deal of pollutants (methane gas).


I suspect in most cases they'd be left in the pastures until they starved or the farmer would just go out and shoot them. Maybe black market meat?? So explain to me how that's good for cows? And then, after the cows are killed off, we start killing rabbits, groundhogs, and other small mammals and rodents that will be killed to plow new farmland. In the end, by "saving" the animals we eat we are only committing genocide against them and adding even more animals to the list that we have to kill to survive.


By this logic, it seems to be the most HUMANE thing to continue eating meat and try to make comfortable and painless a life as possible for cows and other such animals.


Animals eat other animals . So why can't people eat animals?


Because people have more free-will and therefore more accountability for their actions than do animals . Animals are not morally responsible for their actions because they are not as free as we are ie they are boung by necessity and instinct.


So it's a moral issue now?


I hope some of you realize meat will just make you fat. Fat and gross. Yeah meat has protein. Well so do vegetables. Thing about vegetables is they have a whole hell of a lot less fat in them, yet the same amount of protein. l


i support this. as a vegetarian i think vegetarianism is good,it stops animal cruelty and benifits your health


meat is gross.. ewww.. i mean come on you eating someon else


If God wanted us to eat vegetables, he would have made them taste like cheeseburgers.


Silly goose.


I would think it would be good for the president to address this issue simply by suggesting the benefits. It's good for your health . It's good for the health of the eccomy, the environment , and the spiritual health of people. We are rapidly increasing the level of cruelty in which we produce our cow beef and chicken. Meat is one of the easiest sources to get healthy food . IF we can introduce more nutritious foods into common consumption such as sea weed, and complex grains, we'd be saving the environment and ourselves. we can't cook like an irishman and excpect people to reduce their meat consumption. IT would take an observation of healthy alternative. It could really impact the world. It's a very big problem eating all this cow. we're destroying the world, ourselves, and our spirit. We're hitting a threshold.


Derp.


Why not..it cant be any worse than all the pharmaceuticals they try to dump into our bodies.


Why not I love my beef,pork,veal,chicken,fish they are so good on the grill.I think I am going to cook me up a newyork strip stake now.this give me the munchies


FOR THE ANIMALS
Despite the common belief that drinking milk or eating eggs does not kill animals , commercially-raised dairy cows and egg-laying chickens, whether factory-farmed or "free range", are slaughtered when their production rates decline. The same factory farm methods that are used to produce most meats are also used to produce most milk and eggs. These cows and chickens live their short lives caged, drugged, mutilated, and deprived of their most basic freedoms.


On U.S. farms, an average of 7 egg-laying hens spend their entire lives in a battery cage with a floor area the size of a vinyl record cover. Living on wire floors that deform their feet, in cages so tiny they cannot stretch their wings, and covered with excrement from cages above them, these chickens suffer lameness, bone disease, and obsessive pecking, which is curbed by searing the beaks off young chicks. Although chickens can live up to 15 years, they are usually slaughtered when their egg production rates decline after two years. Hatcheries have no use for male chicks, so they are killed by suffocation, decapitation, gassing, or crushing.


As with any mammal, cows produce milk only when pregnant and stop after their calves have been weaned. When a dairy cow delivers a female calf, the calf becomes a dairy cow herself, born to live in the same conditions as her mother. But when a dairy cow delivers a male calf, the calf is sold to a veal farm within days of birth, where he is tethered to a stall, deprived of food and exercise, and soon slaughtered for meat . Life is only a few years longer for the mother. Because it is unprofitable to keep cows alive once their milk production declines, dairy cows are usually slaughtered at 5 years of age. Thus, a cow's normal lifespan of 25 years is cut 20 years short just to cut costs and maximize production.


Today's farms are not like the ones most of us learned about in school; they are mechanized factories where an animal's welfare is of little concern compared to profit. Veganism emerges as the lifestyle most consistent with the philosophy that animals are not ours to use.


FOR THE ENVIRONMENT
Animal agriculture takes a devastating toll on the earth. It is an inefficient way of producing food, since feed for farm animals requires land, water, fertilizer, and other resources that could otherwise have been used directly for producing human food.


Animal agriculture's dependence on higher yields accelerates topsoil erosion on our farmlands, rendering land less productive for crop cultivation, and forcing the conversion of wilderness to grazing and farm lands. Animal waste from massive feedlots and factory farms is a leading cause of pollution in our groundwater and rivers. The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization has linked animal agriculture to a number of other environmental problems, including: contamination of aquatic ecosystems, soil, and drinking water by manure, pesticides, and fertilizers; acid rain from ammonia emissions; greenhouse gas production; and depletion of aquifers for irrigation.


In a time when population pressures have become an increasing stress on the environment , there are additional arguments for a vegan diet . The United Nations has reported that a vegan diet can feed many more people than an animal-based diet. For instance, projections have estimated that the 1992 food supply could have fed about 6.3 billion people on a purely vegetarian diet, 4.2 billion people on a 85% vegetarian diet, or 3.2 billion people on a 75% vegetarian diet.


FOR OUR HEALTH
The consumption of animal fats and proteins has been linked to heart disease, colon and lung cancer , osteoporosis, diabetes, kidney disease, hypertension, obesity , and a number of other debilitating conditions. Cows' milk contains ideal amounts of fat and protein for young calves, but far too much for humans. And eggs are higher in cholesterol than any other food, making them a leading contributor to cardiovascular disease. The American Dietetic Association reports that vegetarian/vegan diets are associated with reduced risks for all of these conditions.


Vegan foods, such as whole grains, vegetables, fruits, and beans, are low in fat, contain no cholesterol, and are rich in fiber and nutrients. Vegans can get all the protein they need from legumes (e.g., beans, tofu, peanuts) and grains (e.g., rice, corn, whole wheat breads and pastas); calcium from broccoli, kale, collard greens, tofu, fortified juices and soymilks; iron from chickpeas, spinach, pinto beans, and soy products; and B12 from fortified foods or supplements.


With planning, a vegan diet can provide all the nutrients we were taught as schoolchildren came only from animal products.


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I say..if YOU are okay with eating your own pets for a meal then so be it.. but MOST I KNOW are NOT okay with that.


Its time to grow-up and respect all living things -- especially our animal friends -- since they also save our lives from time to time.. how foolish us human beings are BESIDES ignorant.


This a difficult quesiton for me logically. I am vegan, but I cannot say that all people should not eat meat . If people are animals as they are and animals kill and eat each other all the time (oftne killing each other in terribly cruel ways)- then why shouldn't humans logically do the same? Animals who are omnivores do kill herbivores and eat them all the time.


My only answer to this is that we must not eat meat because we are more aware than the animals of the hurt/cruelty this imposes on the animals being killed- but if I argue this then I risk falling into the trap of suggesting that humans are more moral than animals! Certainly, they are not.


I once saw a bumper sticker that read thus, "For every animal you don't eat, I'll eat two" While funny it represents the problem all this debate comes from. TOO MUCH. Too much of anything is bad for you meat is not an exception and neither are veggies. Surprisingly enough the food pyramid is mildly accurate about what our diet should look like but we are a country of excess. We love the big steak, the quadruple layer burger and the full rack of ribs.. with a side salad. Only in america do we order a bic mac, large fry and a DIET coke. Seriously people time to wise up. And to those who want to dispute about the no-meat diet being bad for you I have a little story.


Roughly a year ago I was in Ecuador doing some service work and some students from an American university came to take a census in an attempt to secure monetary sponsors for some of the disadvantaged children of the area. Now in the jungles of Santo Domingo Ecuador there is no shortage of greens to eat. Mango, pineapple, strange fruits and papayas the size of your head grow on every tree. There's an excess to the point that it rots in the streets. Carrots, beets, potatoes, and yuca are also ridiculously plentiful. Now while these children were being weighed and having their photos taken I was translating an interview for the students with the parents . The principle question asked was not about the amount of food the children were given, it was about the frequency of meat in those diets. "una vez a la semana, los domingos." (one time a week on sunday) was the most frequent response. That put these people on the top of the list. I'd also like to make special mention of the "meat" they eat. They have an odd style of dairy farming there. The fat cows live to produce milk until they're old and skinny then they're killed for meat. Making the meat scarce and laced with cartilage. It comes out paper thin and is pounded out further to make enough for the family. Meat is wanted. It's needed. Just like veggies. So next time you cut into that steak just be glad its more than 1/2mm thick.


I believe in a world where there is safe place for all of God's creatures..right next to the mashed potatoes.


I don't know why you started talking about god, but she/he is irrevelant in this debate. And on the note of god, you can't hope to justify anything with the bible. The bible and Jesus were clear supporters of slavery, racism and sexism, all of which are frowned upon nowadays.


I'm not sure what you mean by "God is Irrevelant". I don't know whether he is revelant myself as that is a word I am unfamiliar with. My comment was not really an argument, and I wasn't trying to use the Bible to justify anything. My comment was just a comment. Talk about your appropriate screen names. Keep screaming at nothing ScreamingChicken. I didn't come here to debate religion, but as long as you are going to castigate my religion I would ask you to quote where in the Bible it encourages slavery, racism or sexism. I mean that. Quote the Bible. Don't give me an anecdotal story about someone doing something bad under the banner of Christianity. There are plenty of bad people that did bad things in the name of Christianity, but that is the case bad people who exploited a religion using a deranged interpretation to justify their own evil deeds. Way to turn a light hearted comment into an unrelated attack on someone's religion. Are you one of those fervently anti-religion types that because you do not follow a religion you feel a need to try and strip others of their right to choose to follow a religion? Do you do this because religion is bad and you are looking out for the greater good? If so, kindly keep your fascism to yourself and stop looking for an opportunity to attack people for the slightest infraction against your personal beliefs. By the way, steak is delicious.


Since humans have been around they ate meat to survive and without the meat they whould have been killed and there whould be no modern sociaty and by the way plants are liveing things too,


Anyone with all of the facts and information must accept the vast majority of PETA's argument except for one. Meat tastes great! That's why we eat it.. all this talk about nutrition, happy chickens, and the environment seems disingenuous from the meat industry's point of view.


The Animal product industry really only has one tenable argument: Meat tastes great. None of that soy crap comes close. Viva la meat!


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Like eating too much of anything, there are indeed negative health consequences to eating too much meat . Perhaps Americans do eat too much meat, but they also eat too much salt, sugar, oil , and carbs. Lets promote a healthy lifestyle far Americans, but we should do it reasonably, and not single out meat as the single enemy.


The argument about "taste" is genuine.. but did you know that really "flesh" has no real "taste" it, like other foods is seasoned and spices to make it what we wish it be.. There is no "meat" flavor - that's why so many meat analogs are so successful.. they are duplicating not only texture but "taste".. the salty, peppery, spicey, "flavors" are recreated in plant based foods all the time..


But plant based foods also don't include some other major components of *meat* such as the tendons, veins, blood vessels, cancers, infections, scar tissue, boils, cysts, tumors, fat, drugs, chemicals pain and death. Are you serious that what you are eating is "food" at all?


And Vgan.. put the plant thing away - it's really getting childish.


Flesh most certainly has a taste. I will happily eat a well cooked steak without any seasoning or condiment sauce any day of the week. The crispiness of the slightly charred skin, the juiciness of the meat itself, the saltiness of the marbled fat.. even just the way it holds together as you chew it.. I'm getting hungry just thinking about it.


I would argue that plants have much less taste by themselves than meat. How often do people sit down for a plain slab of soy? Or eat a salad with no dressing (no oil or vinegar)? Virtually all foods improved with seasonings or sauses.


You are right that plants don't include tendons, veins, blood vessels, boils, cysts, and tumors. However good meat doesn't have any of those things either. I am 100% for increasing quality control standards for meat.


You say that meat has lots of drugs and chemicals.. but plants have them too. Its worse for plants, they're also genetically modified. There are no genetically modified animals which have been approved by the FDA for consumption. True, if you're worried about drugs and chemicals (a fear I think is overblown, but thats another story) you can get organic vegetables, but you can also get organic meat.


Your point about death is more of a religious one. From a purely atheistic standpoint, when you kill a plant you cause its death. If you think that animals have a soul and it should be revered, then that's another story.. I'll leave it to the theologists.


Your one valid point is the animal's pain. I do feel bad for the animals pain. In fact I would be happy to spend a bit more money on meat to ensure that they had less miserable lives. But I just don't care enough to give up eating meat.