Are Autism and Vaccines Linked?

Over the last decade, autism has gone from a rare and misunderstood condition to a disorder that may affect as many as 1.5 million Americans. Without a clear explanation in sight, parents and doctors have worked tirelessly to pinpoint the cause of autism, but the answer remains elusive. Are vaccines the missing link?


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I can't believe my eyes? A poll ? Can you give your opinion on this matter? I don't think so, this is something that needs to be examined by scientists..


is induced labour. Think about it, the child isn't ready yet, but the doctors like to induce labour for some reason. (I really can't figure it out, i guess to make sure it happens when you want it to)


Before natural labour the cervix has time to soften and relax. It also spends a lot of time expanding to allow the baby an easier time out.


when you induce it it's still pretty hard. It's like repeatedly slaming the child's head into a large eraser.


Now which seems more likely to cause autism , a small shot in the arm or a slam to their half formed skulls every few minutes?


Mr Brook wrote: "What is marginal about it? "


Here is one additional answer to this question--- I just realized that this forum cordons off some responses into inaccessible parts of the forum.. Perhaps they will keep it public with a special handling known to some special persons. No wonder some of the above threads seem unfinished. What is the value of public forum, to cordoned off forum users?The forum notification reads-- "Someone has responded to your comment, "Mandatory Vaccinations?". Did they praise your intelligence or disagree with every word? Could this be the beginning of a beautiful friendship, or the start of a heated rivalry? Jump back into the discussion and find out."I just wonder what else might apply.


Actually the forum keeps tabbing new conversations over. If you follow the "More Comments in this thread" link it will take you to the rest of it.


As a side note.. I got the seasonal flu shot today and so far am doing fine.


I believe that vaccines may cause autism in children who are vulnerable in some way. Here's a link to a Huffington Post article about one family who were awarded compensation by the Vaccine Court because they could prove that the MMR vaccine cuased brain inflammation in their son which then led to his PDD-NOS.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr-and-david-kirby/vaccine-court-autism-deba_b_169673.html


It's an interesting article.


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in the hydrolyzed gelatin - which is found in the MMR vaccine. TO THIS VERY DAY. That is the cause. Because that is the very item that WILL cause a child with mitochondrial disorder to have trouble metabolizing cysteine to make glutathione and taurine.


And so, the neuroscientists call the damage done by too much free glutamate the glutamate cascade - it causes many other things to happen - ending in nerve cell death. The causes aren't changing, it is just that the disorder young Hannah Poling has is more complicated than the Vaccine pushers would admit. That is why Hannah's family WON her case.


And so the MMR which contains not only hydrolyzed gelatin which is 10% free glutamate by weight, but THREE vaccines in one. The free glutamate from the vaccine - INJECTED (not eaten) into a child with the MITO disorder would make it difficult to make glutathione which is the body's own natural chelating agent. And so, if you also had thimerosol OR just a diet high in mercury containing fish or


In a nutshell: it's made my life hell.


I should also state that my sister was not vaccinated. My sister has none of the problems that I have. Pretty much every vaccinated child in my immediate family from my mother's side has autism (I guess we have that genetic predisposition), every non-vaccinated child does not.


..but vaccinations are completely ineffective at preventing disease, and many have complications from the vaccines themselves. Autism might be a genetic thing, but somehow the mercury-based preservative must interact with the gene that causes it. Many people with autism are asymptomatic and don't even know they have it. The mercury probably sets a trigger that then produces symptoms.


The odds of being diagnosed with some sort of Autism-type disorder (Autism, PDDNOS, Aspergers', HFA) is 1 in 150, higher than it ever was in history. We never saw this before routine vaccinations.


Why will the doctors and scientists not answer the question honestly. The surge of claims of neglegence would be overwhelming. I have close friends who are Gp's and they can't explain why the MMR has been changed numerous times over the last ten years. They were not aware themselves that mercury was used in the injections as a preservative etc.. Also they themselves opted for the three jabs and also waited until their babies were older with a stronger immune system.. Why when their own patients are vacinated at set ages.
My son was recovering from a life threatening illness and because he was a little late with his jabs because of hospital admission, we were pushed into his MMR before his poor little body was ready and his immune system strong enough to cope. Within 36 hours my son changed dramatically.. His speach went, his eyes changed and he was Autistic.. We have seen numerous specialists who have acknowledged that he was a poorly baby and his immune system was simply not able to cope with the toxins of the injection. Argue back but the case for us is closed... We live with it every day and as our alternative therapist explains scientists can only accept the science not how the human body works. We are all different and therefore should be looked at as individuals and treated accordingly...


There has never been mercury of any kind in any MMR vaccine.


If your son was recovering from a life threatening illness, he indeed should not have been vaccinated until fully recovered. However, that does not mean MMR or any other vaccine causes autism.


What I see from the MMR study is that there is leakage of the blood-brain and the blood-gut barriers.


Which MMR study is this?


The controversy about the MMR vaccine started because measles virus was found in the gut flora and the spinal fluid of autistics. I do not agree that this means that autism is caused by the MMR vaccine. The viruses will not cross an intact tight junction barrier, therefore I conclude there is leakage.


The good part of this is that if there is leakage, it is an aspect of autism that is subject to medical attention and provides an avenue through which medical improvements to the autistic condition can be made.


The Unigenetics lab tests were basically a scam. No other labs could replicate the findings and mayor errors in their procedures were found.


We have 5 kids. Daniel has autism. He was normal (I would say he was very intelligent). He loved books since he was one year old and could flip the pages one by one. He could say 2 or 3 words.
He had a 6-shot session when he was 18 months, got a strong fever and disconnected from the surrouding world ever since.
I only want him to be normal again but I don?t have the money for any treatments.
If anybody knows of help in the Houston area please let me know..


I have something to report on this subject. My granddaughter was diagnosed with autism at 3 yrs old. All tests we done concerning MRI, Bone scan, Genetics, X Chromozones, brain scans, nothing was wrong, perfect health.


I managed to come in contact with medical people who have opened up a "can of worms" for me. They both told me the same thing. mercury is the cause and once the people became aware of it, they removed the mercury. The reasons autism is still happening is because they have made the needle with cadmium and aluminum which again, creates the symptoms of autism. This is a major scandal and it's a case of not wanting to pay for law suits.


What I did was go to the doctor and ask for a hair, stool and urine test done on my granddaughter, for these are the tests that these heavy metals show up in. The doctor became all nervous, could't look at the three of us in the face. (I had my daughter, myself and the baby's mother with me). The doctor stated he did not have to do this, he knew for a fact mercury or anything toxic would be found. He said medicare would not pay, then I said I have the money right now, and I will pay whatever the costs. He became irritated and said NO, he would not do it. I said so you are positive mercury is not there and he said for a fact he knew. I then said great, now please sign a paper stating that fact and I will leave. He was enraged and told us all to leave, now. We left.


It took me over a year to find a private doctor and I did. I was told that every autistic patient she has tested for heavy metals all came back positive for mercury and lead. I mentioned the aluminum and cadmium and my granddaughter is now being tested for all. The hair sample is in the lab right now for over 2 weeks. I am waiting for the results.


I have two social workers involved with this and I found a paper that was in the medical file from the doctor who diagnosed my granddaughter. he requested the tests for heavy metals when she was four years old, and all her doctors have refused to follow it through.


Three other people I know and reported this to, have children who are autistic and one is ADD. They all followed up on what I told them, which they all took the samples to the doctors. For two cases, the tests never came back and its been over 2 years. The other had her's test come back and the doctor stated only lead but nothing to worry about, then changed the subject. No other tests were done only lead. No lab reports were shown to her. She is still dealing with this presently.


I am passing this message to everyone I know who has or knows of anyone with autism or ADD (it is linked together caused by mercury), and I am telling them to report their doctor's reactions, and telling them to ask for lab reports. if they refuse, go and pay for it out of pocket. The hair test is only $90.00 and you get the lab report.


Once all this is done, go public and find all the others and work together. I already called a lawyer who told me that the first steps to take is to report all doctors who have refused to do the heavy metals tests to the colledge of physicians for an investigation.


Please I advise all of you to do this, ask for these tests to be done and also, you want copies of the lab reports. do not trust the government on this and hire a private doctor to do the same tests and see if they match up. like the social worker said to me, if they don't then we have something to deal with.


The worker is now involving herself to have my granddaughter tested by another one of her doctors that stated at a school meeting for me NOT to go privately, do not spend my money and she would do it for free. well this was stated in front of 9 professional people and so far, she has only offered to repeat the tests already done when she was diagnosed for autism, not the heavy metals tests which she stated she would. This is being handled by a top social worker at present.


I will keep yuou all informed.


Maritimer - which lab are you using for these results?


Apart from lack of protection, the vaccines cause a lot of sickness and disease. The following is from a survey of discovery in the UK conducted by a law firm engaged in a class-action suit representing thousands of families of children injured by the measles shot after a government promoted measles campaign. Keep in mind that these conditions have been associated with other childhood vaccinations too.


Measles Vaccination Causes:
Encephalitis, Guillain-Barre syndrome, convulsions, seizures, anaphylaxis, atypical measles, thrombocytopenia, optic neuritis, ocular palsies, retinitis, deafness, otitis media, ulcerative colitis, bowel disease, Crohn’s disease, headache, dizziness, rash, AUTISM, hearing and vision problems, arthritis, arthralgia, behavior and learning problems, chronic fatigue, diabetes, multiple sclerosis and death. Richard Barr, Alexander Harris, Mumps, Measles and Rubella (MMR) Vaccines and Measles Rubella (MR) www.whale.to/vaccines/dawbarns.html Dawbars (UK) 1997


How come these records are not available in U.S. courts? Vaccine makers were being sued left and right in the 7'0's-80's for Vaccine injuries.. However they settled the suits out of court so the discovery documents wouldn't have to be shown to the American public.. The Vaccine makers then went to congress and blackmailed the U.S. government for protection against the large amounts of lawsuits. Basically telling the congress if they weren't protected, then the epidemics would be the government's fault for not "protecting" the population..


To learn more.. Vaccine911.com


These are not 'records' they are opinions gathered by a legal team to support their case. They bear no relation to credible science.


She states "it's in the Genes" . EVERY THING THAT RELATES TO THE HUMAN BODY, ANY CONDITION, SYMPTOM OR DISEASE PROCESS MUST HAVE A GENETIC CODE TO EXPRESS THAT PARTICULAR REACTION. The question is what expresses that genetic code? Environmental factors influence that genetic code.


Since Dr. Jennifer Shu has stated an absolute, meaning NO vaccines cause the conditions related to autism.. Which Autism is not a diagnosis or sorts, it is a set of related symptoms. If you look they are the same symptoms repressed in the proper diagnosis of mercury poison.


If she is willing to make such a bold statement than she must know exactly what causes Autism which is a HUGE breakthrough in medical science. Everybody.. Dr. Jennifer Shu knows the cause of autism and has a plan to stop this HUGE epidemic in our society that has devastated so many peoples lives especially in the last 40 years, which by coincidence has been the greatest increase in vaccines introduced in the history of man kind.


Vaccine911.com



Autism and mercury poisoning bear no diagnostic relationship to each other. I created a wikipage on this subject here: http://www.theautismwiki.com/Thimerosal/Bernard . There is also at least one piece of credible science refuting this assertion ( http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/111/3/674 ):


"Nonspecific symptoms such as anxiety, depression, and irrational fears may occur both in mercury poisoning and in children with autism, but overall the clinical picture of mercurism—from any known form, dose, duration, or age of exposure—does not mimic that of autism."


This works assuming that mercury injected at a young age has the same effect as other forms of mercury poisoning.


No, the assumption is that it would cause autism. There is no evidence for that assumption.


You offered the proof that the symptoms of Hg poisoning and autism are not the same. I only offered the conditions under which that proof is valid.


Where did you get your findings.. Children with Autism have basically an overload of toxins which causes shutdown to various parts of their system.. we are slowly getting our son back from the depths of Autism, building his immune system back up... eradicating the toxins in the most natural way.
Scientific experts are all the same ..live in their comort zone and if things can't be explained in a scientific way then they are not interested.....


What I did was compare the symptoms of mercury poisoning with the symptoms of autism in the DSM (IV). They are nothing alike.
There is no evidence children with autism have 'an overload of toxins'.


.. autism is probably not a result of classic mercury poisoning.


It is more likely an immune response to dozens of vaccine adjuvants and preservatives, some of which are: aluminum, aborted fetal tissue, neomycin, MSG, aspartame, polydimethylsiloxane, formaldehyde, bovine serum, soy protein, yeast, monkey kidney cells, chick embryonic fluid, ammonium sulfate and beta-propiolactone.


Where do you get the aborted fetal tissue component? The closest I have come across is the use of cell lines in the manufacturing of the vaccine.. Can you link to how much is found in the end product?


You are sooo wrong! Eli lilly has studies showing the evidence! You are not lokking in the right direction, by the way what is your beef? Parents are not trying to make money, we want healthy and happy families not nightmares. What drives you?


Could you direct me to these studies Eli Lilly has showing the evidence?


I am parent to a severely autistic child. I don't believe my child is a nightmare. What drives me is a desire for science to move on to areas that can actually help autistic people.


I could not agree with the move on sentiment more. The argument over vaccines and autism has wasted far too much of the far too little research that needs to be done on autism.


Still, I worry that the "Does this implicate vaccines" filter will block some channels that would otherwise be productive.


Is it really the right thing to discuss a topic that is of such high scientific complexity as this in a public forum? Populated mostly by half-knowing "experts" or worse?
We should leave this delicate question to representative and valid scientific studies, not some parent who seeningly knows that his child has become autistic only as a result of his vaccines.
This question is uttered at the wrong place. It should not be discussed at all. It should be researched. For medicine, as science in general, is never a matter of opinions. It is a matter of evidence. And one does not simply defy scientific evidence by sheer force of will.
You can not just say: "I don't believe in this" as you do with the amazing story a friend just told you.
I know this is a place of discussion, but this is definately not an appropriate field for it.


I know my point is rather weak, but the 1000words-barrier is killing me.


Lets face it the old Autism is Genetic thing is getting a bit old !
If Autism is genetic why are there families with say 5 children and only 1 has Autism ? Yet other families all their children have Autism ?? How does that work ??
Why in families like my own are all of my siblings children NT and free from Autism yet both of my children are on the Spectrum ?
Thats 12 children in my family & 2 of them my own have Autism - WHY ?
So the Genetic explanation fails dont you think ?
There is something else though , I am more than curious as to what answers or solutions the no siders have on this one.. Out of the 12 children , only 2 were vaccinated - can you guess which 2 ?? Yes thats right , if you said my 2 the same 2 that have Autism then you would be correct ! Now please someone tell ME that there is no link !!


"If Autism is genetic why are there families with say 5 children and only 1 has Autism ? Yet other families all their children have Autism ?? How does that work ??"


Inheritance is not at all that clear cut. Though each child is a combination of genes of the parents there are differences.. that is why all brothers do not look the same.


What you are describing is anecdotal, a single instance out of millions. Even if you sum up all the reports found herein you will still not approach a statistically significant amount.


And that is what is important. With a large enough population anomalies will emerge.. and that is all that has been shown so far, statistical anomalies.


While at the same time diseases that were once though gone are making a comeback.. the mumps and wooping cough have already claimed lives.


The twin studies show that you can have identical twins one of whom is autistic while the other is not. Yet autism runs in families. I can only conclude that genes are involved but "There is something in the water."


In fact, the Amish do vaccinate. ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17133167?dopt=AbstractPlus ) A study of old order Amish showed:
"Responses were received by 225 (60%) of the 374 Amish households in the community with children aged
that all of their children had received vaccinations; 28 (12%) reported that some of their children had received vaccinations; and
8 (4%) reported that none of their children had received vaccinations."
"Among all respondents who knew their own vaccination status, 281/313 (90%) reported that they had received vaccinations
as children"
Relying on Dan Olmsted for these things is a bad idea. I suggest people read this interview with someone who works with the Amish: http://autism-news-beat.com/?p=29


The pro-vax community claims that the case is closed. And yet, the statistical test for a link between vaccinations and autism is to measure the number of cases of autism in the vaccinated population against the number of cases in the unvaccinated population. I know that the pro-vaxers claim that science is on their side, but I would expect that this study would be done before the case gets closed.


Dan Olmsted had the right idea. But both sides need a scientific study.


The recently published MMR paper (which again found no link between MMR and autism) was heralded with a press conference. During the course of that press conference, the authors were asked by David Kirby about doing a study such as you propose. Their answer is here:


http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/?p=1285


Its the last piece of audio on the blog entry.


Your recording is full of lovely excuses. The population of the unvaccinated already exists. It is mixed in everywhere in the US. The idea that a good sample cannot be gotten dances a jig on my incredulity button.